Flat Earther Comedy hall of fame.

Rebelwithoutaclue

Our first guest flattie is a Scottish guy who goes by the name of rebelwithoutapause on the University of YouTube, the font of all (none)knowledge. Really, this guy should change his handle to rebelwithoutaclue, because he has'nt got a clue.

Most of his videos are of the stars, which he calls luminairies. Do you see anything wrong with them - yep, they are all out of focus. He has had plenty of replies telling him they are out of focus, some offering polite advice. His answer is usually to tell whoever where to go and he has been doing this for 2 years so he 'knows what he's doing'. He still actually thinks they are in focus (plus they wobble all over the place on his cheap camera mounted on a cheap tripod). He actually thinks these are what stars actually look like. His little loyal band of subscribers show the same stupidity, and I nearly died laughing when he and a subscriber state that 'all those scientists with their big telescopes have been getting it wrong, this is NOT what they look like' - did he really think he was the first person to point a camera to the sky

Another folly of his is fairly typical of these  brainwashed village idiots, in his complete lack of knowledge about the Freemasons, labbeling NASA as 'Nazi Freemasons'. I would have let that go by, but he had a reply from some dear old woman whom he told that NASA was run by Nazi Freemasons. Unfortunately this upset the lady, as her father and grandfather were freemasons, from Germany. I mamnaged to catch some screen shots whilst I have been following him, he does delete posts.Lots of ignorance was displayed in this thread until the Lady's brother sent a reply (yep, deleted but I captured it) - this guy gave him quite a dressing down. His reaction, shows no compassion, binned it. So he remains willfully ignorant on that subject.

 And her brother's reply

Now we come to the guys ability to lie on his videos. In this case, on his Ailsa Craig video he takes a video

of a small Island in the Firth of Clyde from 2 locations. On his first location his description of where he was was vague, but I figured out where he could have been based on his claimed distance. Not sure what he was meant to achieve on this as although the distance was short, it still showed what you would expect to see on a globe. I found out the height of the small lighthouse on the  east shore and used that as a measuring stick for the shore height and compared it to his video. He failed to notice that half of the shore was hidden. Ok, we will forego that. 

His next location,further away, and from a different angle. On the video he clearly marks on google maps streetview.Trouble is with this is if zoom into streetview and look around the view is completly blocked by a high bank and trees, so he wasnt where he said he was.So continuing his video and trying to match the view of where he actually was with streetview, he was nowhere near or high that he said he was. You could not get a clear view around the headland near by, you had to continue towards (town), it was clear he was somewhere near the shore so I estimated approximately 4 or 5 miles closer and considerably lower. Why lie, you tell me - my theory is these people lie to themslves sometimes.

rebelwithoutaclue part 2

rebel and glock slice demonstrate acute stupidity. rebel lies again about a video he took of an island 33 miles away he could see

This thread from rebelwithoutaclue half of the moon is missing video is pure gold comedy, what a double act. Its quite clear to me that education is not what it used to be, both these characters show extremely poor cognisance, in ability to problem solve, poor use of the English language and abject denial. Both people come across as being religious but use the most foul language for what you would expect. Block Sluice is the worst of the two. For him, the Bible is a science, astronomy and life manual. His acute misunderstanding of how things work, how to thought experiment and reason is at the level of a sea cucumber. What are these people on about. You can clearly tell that they have NOT done any research in the manner of the usual flattie come Dubay facts. It is obvious they have not fact checked any of the claims of oh so wise Yoga teacher, who happens to be an expert in everything. It is impossible to get through to these guys as the required intelligence is not there, they will live and die stupidly ignorant. Any way, heres the comedy episode. i wont screen shot, i will simply copy paste in a more easy to read format, if you want to check it on youtube, please do so.

He deletes posts that are uncomfortable for him, has now banned me as well. But here are some snippets

NASA - The NASAty lies that flatties spread

The major proponents of flat earth put quite a bit of effort in discrediting NASA, but easy to see why. NASA essentially destroys the flat earth deception. They have been to the moon, they have a large ongoing presence in space. The International Space Station has been operating since the year 2000. They have also taken thousands of photos of earth from space, they even have a live feed of earth from the ISS - 24/7.

Interestingly not so much effort is put in to discredit other spage agencies. Many other countries in the world have a space agency or project running. Most notably Russia, Europe, Japan, Canada and China. Other countries will follow suit such as India and Australia. Private companies are now also involved, Bigelow, Space-x are fully operational and Virgin Galactic in the near future. In essence space exploration is a global public and private sector effort.

National Aeronautics Space Agency has to be fake, fraud etc.Trouble is that NASA is a government civilian body, created in the 50s. Lets not forget the other space agencies who are also publicly owned government bodies. Lets not forget also that the private space projects, Bigelow, Virgin Galactic and Space-x are private businesses, the have shareholders who would want a return on their investment, if NASA was fake or fraud, there would be no money in it for them. So what this boils down to is that ALL space agencies and ALL governments and ALL countries are involved in this deception since at least the 50s. This would have to include any and all countries who have been at war with, or have poor relations with the US. This would include Russia, or the USSR at the time of the space race. The 50s was a time of great fear and uncertainty during the cold war, if the Russians knew that the earth was flat, they would have just sat back and laughed at the US futile attempts to go into space.This is also the case even now - relations with the US and Russia on a political level is at an all time low since Glasnost, again, why haven't they called the US out. There are also strained relations between China and much of the western states, so again , why don't China call the western agencies out.

A common myth flat earthers will claim is NASA is part of the US military (in Mark Sargent's under the dome video, he states that they were quickly militarised soon after creation) - nope, totally separate body with a totally separate budget at a small fraction of the DOD budget. Currently, $19 Billion a year, about .5% of total federal budget. This was higher in the sixties and seventies, tenfold at 5% of total budget. But soon after the Apollo missions this was gradually slashed down to its current level.

So how do they discredit NASA.

1/ because space is fake, so NASA must also be fake.
2/ They are run by Nazis, Freemasons, Iluminati and other satanic worship groups.
3/ The ISS does not exist, what you think you see in the sky is a high altitude plane, a baloon.
4/ The ISS videos are shot in a studio on earth using wires and green screen CGI, or in the Zero G plane. Sometimes the virtual reality does not work as planned, you can see wire harnesses, you never see the 4th wall
5/ All photos are fake, photoshopped CGI
6/ EVAs (moon walks outside the ISS) are filmed in underwater studios with CGI, they show air bubbles rising under water.They never show 360 views.
7/ NASA even now say they can not go through the deadly Van Allen belts that would would kill the astronauts.
8/ The moon landings were faked, they were shot in a hollywood studio by Stanley Kubrick
9/ They have conveniantley lost all the moon landing tapes.
10/ They launch fake rockets in to the sea, Bermuda triangle.

Well, quite a bit there. You will soon find that there are certain rules which must be followed when challenging a flattie, they are

Photos and videos cant be used, they could be CGI
Testimony of witnesses cant be allowed, they may be paid shills, paid by NASA.
Mathematics cant be used, any equations can be made up to look like evidence.
Other websites in support of NASA cant be trusted.
Science and scientists are frauds, incorrect, not proven it is actually pseudo science

But when it comes to the rules to cahllenge 'globers'
Photos and videos prove it.
Testimony proves it.
Maths prove it
Other websites supporting the flat earth view proves it.
(Actual pseudo) Science proves it

And so we are blocked in, in a cul de sac, everyone lies except flat earth beleivers

So how do we tackle these, bear in mind though that we have never needed NASA to go into space or exist to know the Earth is a globe.

But still, thats for later.

1/ Run by Nazis, Freemasons etc.

Its true that NASA did employ some ex members of the Nazi party of Hitler's regime, most notably Werner Von Brown. One fact that needs to be stated here is that Von Brown voluntarily sought out the Allies and surrendered and defected to the USA. His highest ranking was as a Major in the SS. If you read about his life it is quite clear that he was obsessed with space and rocketry, his role in the German army was in developing rocketry, ie the V1 and 2 rockets. Von Brown went on to help instigate the Operation Paperclip at the end of the war. This was an operation to recruit some of the best rocketry scientists from Germany's defeated army, the Russians had the same idea. Be aware though this was before NASA was even thought of.

As for freemasons, well in the conspiracy world Freemasons just about run everything, this group has most notably received a thorough hatchet job.So before we move on to these, ask yourself what do you know about them, if you have already crossed to the dark side, ask yourself what did you know about them before you crossed over. Be open minded on this, many flat earth proponents state this when asked, be open minded.

I could dispel this very quickly because If Nazis do run the show, there would be no freemasons. On the other hand if Freemasons run the show, there would be no Nazis. To understand this is simple. During the 1930s as Hitler rose to power, the freemasons were ordered to give up their assets or they were seized, the lodges were shut down. Freemasons were not permitted to join the Nazi party (not that they would have ever done so). As the war started and progressed, freemasons were then rounded up and sent to the concentration camps along with Jews, Gypsies, communists, conscientious objectors. They suffered the same fate, 10s of thousands of freemasons across Europe were executed in the gas chambers. This almost wiped out the freemasons from Europe.

Freemasonry is a fraternity, ie a social club for men. They can trace their origins back to perhaps the Crusades, but most notably to the stonemasons guilds of the renaissance period. Their purpose was to keep alive the stonemason industry and skills during the building of some of the great Cathedrals and abbeys etc. Principally there are 3 'degrees' in (stone) Masonry - Apprentice, Journeyman and Craftsman. Today, they are a dying establishment, fading away as they do not fit in so well in this modern era. Needless to say, some of the Astronauts were indeed Freemasons, most notably Buzz Aldrin. The FErs have built the myth that practically all astronauts are Masons, somewhat over exaggerated as atheists and females are not allowed to join.Those that were Freemasons have never made any secret of it, Buzz Aldrin has never denied or kept his membership hidden. Freemasons are NOT the evil satanic controllers that FErs claim (I doubt that most FErs know anything about them at all. I will be doing a more in depth look at Freemasonry in the future.But I will end this paragraph by saying, Eric Dubay (real name Michaels) , his father and an uncle were Freemasons.



2/The ISS is often given special attention because of its high profile image. The station itself is a mix of astro engineering by the US, Russia, Canada and The ESA. Private space company Bigelow have built and installed a habitat module called the BEAM. Its about the size of a football field, and can be seen from the ground regularly. There are online sites where you can  check its flight paths near you. The station orbits the earth in about 90 minutes at a speed of 17,000 + miles per hour. This might seem an incredible speed and it is, by design. Essentially the station is in free fall but the speed is such that it keeps it in a low earth orbit as the earth will always be 'falling away'. It is permanently manned by a team of scientists and it undertakes to very important experiments that could pave the way for the benefit of us here on earth, with some exciting possibilities already showing promise as being ground breaking due to the unique variable of micro gravity, of which could not be carried out on Terra firma. When you see it overhead it would be quite fast going over that it will only be viewable for a few seconds, if it is at night, it is unmistakable as its the 2nd brightest object in the sky and travelling fast - too fast for either a plane  or balloon. We can discount the balloon assumption because its exact position in the sky is pin point predictable, a balloon would be unpredictable. If you want to know more google 'NASA spin off  technology, current experiments/research being carried out on the ISS'

A popular argument that flat earth folk post is 'NASA say you can't go through the van allen belt which will kill the astronauts'. One thing about flat earth folk is that they are very lazy in their research. Often they will tell you to do your research and what they mean by this is watch flat earth YouTube videos, go to flat earth websites.They are very selective in their searching, seeking to confirm the belief, which is biased this way. Or they just copy and paste the comment, whilst not actually fact checking that.

Also generally speaking, given the amount of claims that NASA make mistakes such as bubbles, van allen belt, VR going wrong,wires showing, slip ups and many so called 'obvious' errors that it all seems to be like a shoddy amateur inept incompetence. Would you really think a multi billion dollar fraud would inadvertently say the VABs cant be passed on a video, then release it to the public, knowing that they would spot the obvious error of explaining why they did not go to the moon ?. If it was such a huge fraud, everything would have to look squeaky clean. Plus dissenters, whistle blowers would likely have unfortunate fatal accidents

The Van Allen belt is an area of highly charged radiation in the form of highly charged particles, not radiation like X-Rays etc. NASA sent up sounding rocket probes to study the belt and measure it accurately, The belt was found to be at its least potent in the polar regions. They calculated that by taking a trajectory that escapes the more dangerous part of the belt via the polar regions with enough speed the craft and its occupants would only be exposed to the same amount of radiation as experienced on earth from 1 or 2 medical X-Rays. They thought that was a risk worth taking. However, today those risks are not acceptable any more, plus the future mission objectives are for more deeper, longer missions which would increase the risk for both craft and astronauts. Now they are developing that technology with Orion, the technology has had to start pretty much from scratch given the decreased budget as compared to Apollo. Electronics and computers whilst being more powerful than Apollo they are more sensitive and this is the 'new' challenge they have set for Orion, and they are on target. If people had been bothered to watch that video, this would have been clear.

I wont be covering the subject of video and photos, or the moon landing in this post as they deserve a post all to themselves

5.4.3.2.1. lift off

Launch day, the purpose of this blog would be to expose those people who wish to deceive others with false, incorrect information and downright lies. With the advent of social media such as Facebook, twitter and YouTube, there is now a burgeoning pathway for conspiracy theorists, crackpots and pathological liars . These people are often created by other crackpots spreading misinformation and so the amount of created, paranoid conspiracy theorists expands. My objection to this is that sometimes this can spill over and effect others detrimentally when 'truthers' do so to take things in to their own hands. For instance, The Sandy hook mass shootings, whereby online crackpots started playing 'armchair detective'' spread incorrect information as to the validity of the 'mainstream' reporting of this despicable act of criminality. And so a theory was born that the shootings were staged by the 'government' and that no one died. The excuse given here was to drum up public opinion on tightening gun laws. The sad reality was that people did indeed die, but this did not stop a couple of miscreants believing the conspiracy and taking matters into their own hands. They harassed and threatened victim's families to the point of sending hate emails and threats by voice mail. Needless to say they were caught, prosecuted and jailed. This has also happened with other, stupid conspiracy theories including 'pedogate' and 'pizzagate'.

I first came across this insanity after seeing in my Facebook news feed a post referring to the flat earth society, I had a discussion on this with my friends, many of whom just dismissed it as 'just a few harmless eccentrics'. I thought so too until other people not in my friends list started replying with claims that I am 'indoctrinated' and I should look into it, some of these messages turned into threats and spamming my news feed. This is not eccentricity, this is an attack on accepted facts. I still did not think much of it until I started to notice that generally people who ascribed to a flat earth conspiracy also ascribed to other, damaging conspiracies such as Chemtrails, anti vaxers. It reached a peak for me when one of my friends shared a post regarding organ donation that suggested that the medical profession were 'cashing' in on providing organ donation by covert means. It suggested that if you carried a donor card, and you were involved in a serious accident that involved surgery, your organs would be removed when you were in fact not dead - letting you die under anaesthesia in the operating theatre. That was pivotal, the friend who posted it was inundated with pleas from his friends to not share it or believe it, thankfully he did so.

So, Here we are.I will be starting with the flat earth proponents character assassination of NASA and other groups of people, as the main proponents spend a lot of energy and time in this.