The Last Post

This an entry in response to a challenge given me by a youtube user by the name of 'Nature Gal' - which is a misnomer right there, as she has no idea how nature works. At first I thought they were maybe someone who is just curious. Then came the flat earth and associted conspiracy theories rhetoric that showed clear signs they were leaning into these theories - and to be quite frank, if you have to question whether earth is flat or a globe, then you clearly have a loose screw or two.
So lets end with a flourish of popular 'konspiraaaceehh'.

I was given 3 examples of 'seeing things you should not because of the curve' - 1 by flat earth big hitter Rob Skiba, 1 by one of his victims (gudtims4all) and one I had already covered earlier on this blog.

I include theses screen shots, there is nothing to add - it explains it all - Chicago from 38.8 miles, 5 foot of the water. The original author STILL thought this proved earth was flat - must be fucking blind.

There will be no more entries, no comments will be replied to.

Let me get the 'big hitters' out of the way.
Eric Dubay - real name Eric Michaels - often cited as the new 'father' of flat earth after the infamous Rowbotham. What are his credentials. He doesnt atate any - all we know of him is that he is a Yoga instructor who lives in Thailand. He is the son of a freemason, has freemasons in his family, he is a holocaust denier, has neo nazi ideals, has had numerous videos and websites taken down because of his neo nazi, anti semitic views. he states no credentials in regard to science, history, politics and sociology. Yet he seems to be an expert in everything. His videos are heavily litted with adverts. Motive - to make money, serious money.

Rob Skiba - Is a 'back to hebrew roots christian', which means flat earth is a literal bible interpretation and that the 'end days' are coming. He too states no credentials regarding the same ubjects as Dubay, he states he is a multi award winning film maker - yest doesnt say which, nor can i find a single one. He is also a big liar. He is clever though, he knows how to sell flat earth. again his videos are litterd with adverts. His motive - religious beleif and again, money

Mark Sargent and Patricia Steere - Again, neiter state any credentials regarding any subjects that qualifies them to comment. They both lie. All we know of sargent is that he used to be a software tester, he gave that up to run his websites and youtube channels full time. They are both connected to a company called 'metatron', who sponsored the first 'international flat earth conference'. Patricia Steere lives in a $500,000 + mansion owned by metatron. Their motives, again - money. from publishing and adverts on youtube.

Then there are others jumping on the band wagon, such as D Marble, Jeranism, Globebusters, FE core etc. All of whom I and many others have had comments deleted that goes against their 'business model'.

This ridiculous notion is often thought of as 'flattards versus globetards'. It is not, it is poorlly educated, science illiterate, intellectualy chalanged morons against, well, everybody else. They even argue amongst themselves as to who is correct. Google analytics shows 50% of internet flat earth related traffic is generated from the USA. The US are rated 17th in world education standards, which is poor for one of the most biggest economies in the world. Most of this flat earth notion is religious, biblical interpretation yet religion as a whole does not have a problem with science and the earth being a globe.

Science - From the Latin 'scientia' meaning 'Knowledge. Science is not politics or religion. It is not concerned with falsities, just the truth. Science can and does admit to being wrong, science has the ability to criticise itself, in fact it thrives on it. Personal prejudices has no place in science and anyone who presents false information scientifically will have a very short career. NASA is a purely scientific, public owned, public run and publicly audited organisation in the quest for the betterment of the people of earth. They employ 17,000 people directly and huge amount of people doing contract work for them in all fieds of science and engineering. During the Apollo years an estimated 500,000 were involved in the making of mankinds greatest achievment. More recently they are now doing this on 1/10th of the budget, but payback on that budget is ten fold. There are many spin off technologies that exist due to NASA's research and space exploraration such as Imaging software in medical apllications (MRI, Ultrasound and CT scanners) and even cochlear implants. Engineering and safer aeronautics, water purifaction systems, imaging technologies such as small, compact photographic sensors that you now get in cameras and smartphones. Ther are still great benefits to come from cancer treatments to food production. We may also need them one day to save us from catastrophy.

Now for your comments, Nature gal

The global conspiracy being plausable. Really, as knowledge of our earth being a globe is more than 2,500 old makes it pretty implausibe. One thing humans are good at is not being able to keep secrets. The conspiracy would have to be kept secret by nations that have been at war with each other through out this time, by totally different ideologies such as democracies, communism, dictatorships and tyrants. If anything, any one of those state enemies, incompattable ideaologies would have scored a MAJOR coup against the rest by blowing the lid on it, you could bring an enemy to its knees by creating discourse in your enemies population. Islam would have certainly done it on Christianity. Communism would have done it to Democracies. Nazi Germany would have against the allies and soviet russia most certainly against the USA during the 'space race'.

Keeping it a secret would have been a logistical imposibilty, when millions, if not billions have to be 'in on it' - there would be no benefit to do so, no profit from it, it would bankrupt the world economies.

The UN flag -  you got 2 + 2 equaling 5 here. The Azimuthal Equedistant map used predates any flat earth map, indeed it is flat earth who is using 'someone elses' map here. It is simply 'symbolic' representing a United (surrounded by laural leaves' Nations - a 3d representation onto a 2d medium. pure and simple - but it does show the paranoia amongst flat earthers - eveybody lies except themselves.

the US continent appearing larger on different NASA photos. There is a simple reason for this that any decent photographer knows, in that it is basic photographic knowledge. Have you seen all those 'real stars and planets' videos and photos that flat earthers push. Again, basic photography knowledge. They are all out of focus, but they are convinced thay are real. Its just laughable to me. go away and research why they are wrong.

Stephen Hawking hoax - wow, that was crass stupidity there of you, a dirty low insult to him, his family and the UK. True, most people diagnosed with ALS do indeed die within a few years. Some have longer lives. There are different types of ALS that attack different motor nuerones of the brain that paralyse specific nuerones and muscle groups. Nearly all of them cause complete paralysis, most attack the neurones controlling vital organs such as the lungs and digestive tracts and they die of asphyxia or malnourishment. The type Hawkins had does not attack theses same neurones, but left him paralysed. These sufferers can and do have long lives, and seem to contract this form in earjy life whereas others in later life contract the major form. A metal guitarist named Jason Becker was diagnosed in his early twenties, just like Hawkings. He is still alive today at 49, still making music in a similar way that Hawking used a computer to communicate. All sufferers still maintain full congnitve abilities throughout. Your jibe at Hawkings was disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Any way, Loki (Norse god of mischief) is bowing out, no more youtube comments, no more blog entries - I am going to get on with life istead of wasted enough time on flat earth morons.

Why Astronomy would be completely different on a flat earth

Five years ago, I was first introduced to astronomy whilst visiting my brother in Australia, I spent some wonderful nights with him watching the stars that I could not get the chance to in my hometown in England (northern hemisphere), principally because they are not observable, given that the earth is a globe. Since that first foray, I bought book after book, magazines etc and subscribed to online forums and youtube channels on the subject - I learnt a lot about how our planet works and its place in the vast expanse of the universe. It was some 3 years later that I began to notice rather odd messages on these astronomy channels. They were being infiltrated by flat earth advocates.peddling the ridiculous flat earth notion and that the stars were proof of that because of this and that. The weirdest thread was by some flat earth advocate (can't remember who as was not paying much attention to it) - to the point that he asked me if my telescope was 'computer controlled' - at that time I was still only observing, not quite ready for astrophotography but had plans to. 'Yes' I said, 'I have built a goto system for it and am fine tuning it with PEC (Periodic Error Correction)' he replied 'Ahh, you gullible moron, LOL its obvious that you are a NASA fanboy, they rig the software so that you think you are looking at what you want to look at, but in reality the stars and planets are NOT what they tell us'. 'Strange' i replied, 'I never knew that you could do that with with stepper motors' - 'There you go, you fool, perhaps now you will do your research properly' - ' Not so' I say 'The only thing my laptop controls is moving 2 motors to the correct position, have nothing to do with the image - the scope does that with just mirrors, so you know nothing about astronomy I take it' - then came the jesuit, Nazifreemasons thoery bullsit. So thats how I came across these intelectually challenged children.

So this parting shot blog entry is why the southern celestial stars blow a flat earth apart, because it simply could not work.


On the 21st of June, 2018 at 7PM London time (and in previous years), the following cities in the southern hemisphere will be in darkness (night). Cape Town, Port Elizabeth, Durban, Antananarivo, Mogudishu, Muscat, Mumbai, Chitagong, Phnom Penh, Manila, Perth, Adelaide, Brisbane and Christchurch. All of these cities will see Polaris Australis almost at due south.None of them will be able to see Polaris at the north celestial globe. Also, the southern stars and constellations are not a mirror image or reflected image of the northern hemisphere stars and constellations.

Here is a picture depicting those directions.

Whilst it is true that any person looking at the north celestial pole and Polaris will see them at due north, the southern hemisphere can not be explaiined how you would have to physically look in diferent directions to view Polaris australis, nor can anyone explain why they also rotate clockwise, opposite to the north on a flat disc  ---  however, explained perfectly on a globe, becuase that is what earth is.